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Nicole Allcock's avatar

There is more to the story than many of the bishops didn’t implement TC. Define that. There were many other places, primarily more rural or semi-urban, where people were asking for the TLM under SP. along about 2020, we thought we were making headways and that the bishop would allow it soon. Then wham, TC, and all communication stopped. These places are not included in the statistics because our Masses were not “shut down,” but rather progress toward full SP implementation was halted. In our area, after TC, we pretty much can’t even talk about the TLM anymore. It’s hush hush.

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Venite Prandete's avatar

My take on it was that the survey was issued as a pretext and then was used to ban the TLM- that is, PF was a political figure and operated by insincerities. If it hadn’t been for Diane Montagna, no-one would have known how the bishops viewed their TLM parishioners. I read comments by the bishops at the time the survey was leaked and they were the opposite of critical - high praise actually, and their characterisation of the TLM crowd was pretty accurate. That is, they are generally reverent, community-minded, respectful- pretty much the opposite of the descriptions by Pope Francis. The whole manoeuvring that we were subject to was so socialist and gas-lighting. It is pretty appalling when a pope lies, but people should stop talking niceties and speak the truth. Socialism does not see lying as bad, merely a means to an end, and any mechanism that achieves the objective is allowed. Whether or not we are looking at socialism, per se, we are certainly witnessing socialist techniques and any person who breaches the approved narrative had better be prepared for the ‘point and shriek’ response - another tactic. The thing is - people have been cowed by these disproportionate responses but everyone has to call it when they see it and be prepared to say that the person justifying the action does not actually believe it but is telling lies.

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