When we think about the crisis of polarization in the Church, we often think about “right” vs “left.” While this is often a useful spectrum, there’s more to this. Francis has governed as a progressive, viewing himself the spiritual heir of Paul VI and the original revolution at Vatican II. For him, the papacies of John Paul II and Benedict XVI, whatever his personal esteem (or lack thereof) of the men aside, these were detours from the real goal of Vatican II: a modernized Christianity able to speak to modern man. This is a known story, a popular story, and one that has a lot of truth to it. Yet it is also a story that is incomplete.
When you speak of the 'unity of the Church' here what precisely are we speaking of? The 'left' of which you speak whatever their outward pretensions does not believe what the Catholic Church believes. If you hooked them up to a polygraph they wouldn't make it through the first two articles of the Apostles Creed so how are we unified to them?
The plug needs to be pulled on the sham unity that is not unity which is the life support that is keeping Vatican Inc. alive. Let the Germans go and they can take their money i.e. their thirty pieces of silver with them. Pope Francis has said numerous times that he wants a poorer Church. Lets give it to him
Actually, no, we can't! because the last thing you want is a situation with numerous bishops going around consecrating more illicit bishops and then suddenly you have a schism which self-perpetuates.
I know larpers think that's a great thing but its really not for the Church.
Its very easy for people online to say that, but nobody who actually does any job that involves governance, even those more inclined to our side, says bring on a schism.
Actually if these bishops have publicly defected from the Catholic faith, which these men have, then you have nothing to worry about because their future ordinations/consecrations would be invalid. That is why the Anglicans no longer have valid orders.
Nobody is saying 'bring on schism'. What I am saying is that the schism is already here and we would do well to pull our heads out of certain dark and smelly places and own up to that fact. This phoney photoshopped 'unity' is crucifying the Mystical Body of Christ
Except you don't get to say they've publicly defected just because you think they have. Saying someone in an office defected from the faith has actual canonical ramifications. Just be mindful of them is all I'm saying. And the idea "well it would be invalid, so no big deal", I'm not sure its a good idea to have 20 Thuc like bishops running around at the same time.
The unity in the Church exists even if there are those, even Bishops, who are doing a bad job. Even if, yes, some of them don't really believe the faith like they should. That unity is not photoshopped, nor is it in name only.
When a bishop permits the idea to even be publicly proposed in their area of jurisdiction that two human beings of the same gender who publicly announce that they are having a sexual relationship with each other should be publicly blessed by ordained Catholic clergy then they have publicly defected from the Catholic Faith.
When you speak of the 'unity of the Church' here what precisely are we speaking of? The 'left' of which you speak whatever their outward pretensions does not believe what the Catholic Church believes. If you hooked them up to a polygraph they wouldn't make it through the first two articles of the Apostles Creed so how are we unified to them?
The plug needs to be pulled on the sham unity that is not unity which is the life support that is keeping Vatican Inc. alive. Let the Germans go and they can take their money i.e. their thirty pieces of silver with them. Pope Francis has said numerous times that he wants a poorer Church. Lets give it to him
Yeah let's tell a ton of bishops with valid orders and succession to go there own way, nbd.
Actually, no, we can't! because the last thing you want is a situation with numerous bishops going around consecrating more illicit bishops and then suddenly you have a schism which self-perpetuates.
I know larpers think that's a great thing but its really not for the Church.
Its very easy for people online to say that, but nobody who actually does any job that involves governance, even those more inclined to our side, says bring on a schism.
Maybe we should ponder why.
Actually if these bishops have publicly defected from the Catholic faith, which these men have, then you have nothing to worry about because their future ordinations/consecrations would be invalid. That is why the Anglicans no longer have valid orders.
Nobody is saying 'bring on schism'. What I am saying is that the schism is already here and we would do well to pull our heads out of certain dark and smelly places and own up to that fact. This phoney photoshopped 'unity' is crucifying the Mystical Body of Christ
"which they have"
Except you don't get to say they've publicly defected just because you think they have. Saying someone in an office defected from the faith has actual canonical ramifications. Just be mindful of them is all I'm saying. And the idea "well it would be invalid, so no big deal", I'm not sure its a good idea to have 20 Thuc like bishops running around at the same time.
The unity in the Church exists even if there are those, even Bishops, who are doing a bad job. Even if, yes, some of them don't really believe the faith like they should. That unity is not photoshopped, nor is it in name only.
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When a bishop permits the idea to even be publicly proposed in their area of jurisdiction that two human beings of the same gender who publicly announce that they are having a sexual relationship with each other should be publicly blessed by ordained Catholic clergy then they have publicly defected from the Catholic Faith.