But it wasn't just that. It was remarks about how the pope had to continue to carry out the work of the Synod... strongly hinting it wouldn't if he was dead.
It was also this kind of shift is reflective of a larger cultural shift in the Western World. Did you actually read this?
We could trace a lot of other events going on signifying this change, from the challenges implementing TC to the out rejection of FS, to the non event the Synod was. Yet the point was the interview and how it clearly is an abandonment of the previous Vatican position.
As for an actual journalist (kind of an insult to the writer and Catholic Herald, a venerable institution) Roche chose an email interview where he clearly wanted to say this. Pillar did the same interviewing Fernandez on FS. Email questions without followup where the person doing them wants to say something so chooses that venue.
I would note that in Orthodox Jewish synagogues, prayers are still said in Hebrew. Possible they are more attuned to tradition and its purposes than we are. Also note the the first thing the Protestant "reformers" did was to abolish the common language, Latin.
Here in my city and diocese, there seems little basis for the right wing to again start singing "Tomorrow Belongs to Us." Mass according to the 1962 Missal had long been available at places more convenient than the average work commute yet the priests celebrating it admit interest had plateaued and it had become a "boutique" form of Catholicism. Folk Masses have mostly disappeared but a quarter of the parishes here have a Gospel Mass. I've seen Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament restored concluding with a laywoman preacher. Outdoor processions have become popular and common but will likely not be seen with the promised termination on TPS.
I don't think anyone should start singing "tomorrow belongs to us" so much as "we are entering a period of profound change, no matter who the next pope is"
Those who love the Latin Mass should be paying attention to this. Others should as well. Furthermore, whatever we think, it is crystal clear that people way more important than us are at least entertaining that the shift is real, and Cardinal Roche's interview is a clear sign of that.
Extrapolation from a singular focus on TLM to the overall currents for an upcoming conclave for a church with innumerable problems, both temporal and spiritual, seems a bit of a stretch.
Someone with the requisite journalistic reach like The Pillar should interview Cardinal Roche directly rather than assert what he is saying as a ghost writer (another potential assertion) for the current Holy Father. An interesting facet nonetheless.
I found the bit about Cdl. Roche personally celebrating the Novus Ordo in Latin to be a howler, and not in the missing-the-point sense. Does this man, like Paul VI supposedly donning his red vestments before being corrected by his sacristan, not remember that celebrations of the Novus Ordo in Latin or ad orientem were separately restricted after Trads Cussed?
I don’t feel qualified to make a real comment as yet, as I’m only just now starting the “interview” in the Catholic Herald. From my ancient perspective being in my eighth decade of life, of course there will be change! There will be a different man in the position of Pope. But one thing remains the same: The Holy Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are always, always, ALWAYS in charge. It is through their auspices and blessing that we have a Pope. The Holy Spirit moves through the Cardinals and a Pope will be elected. I would “guess” that it will be someone from Italy now that the church has experienced again someone from outside the hallowed halls of the original church there. We can speculate all we want. We can wring our hands all we want. What we should be doing instead is praying: praying for the healing of Pope Francis and should that time come for the response of his soul. And at all times we should be praying for every single priest regardless of the title they wear to be protected from the evil one and his influences. Save your emotional and spiritual energy for something you actually have control over, which is ah, what? We cannot even control our own lives without the Lord, and we should always remember that.
Pray, my brethren-in-Christ, pray without ceasing. 🕊️
No one has ever been able to explain WHY it is wrong to celebrate a traditional Mass in Latin as per the 1962 missal. We are still worshipping our Lord and recognizing the sacrifice. Are we to follow the word of MAN (i.e. Bishops) or the word of GOD?
What does that even mean? There was a clear target of such legislation. Whatever Rome felt the target was, far more were impacted by it. Is it forbidden to point that out?
No, saying someone is divisive is a way to attack when you don’t have a valid argument. Everyone could “worship” with the same rite of the Mass and believe completely different things. Would that be unity?
But it wasn't just that. It was remarks about how the pope had to continue to carry out the work of the Synod... strongly hinting it wouldn't if he was dead.
It was also this kind of shift is reflective of a larger cultural shift in the Western World. Did you actually read this?
We could trace a lot of other events going on signifying this change, from the challenges implementing TC to the out rejection of FS, to the non event the Synod was. Yet the point was the interview and how it clearly is an abandonment of the previous Vatican position.
As for an actual journalist (kind of an insult to the writer and Catholic Herald, a venerable institution) Roche chose an email interview where he clearly wanted to say this. Pillar did the same interviewing Fernandez on FS. Email questions without followup where the person doing them wants to say something so chooses that venue.
I would note that in Orthodox Jewish synagogues, prayers are still said in Hebrew. Possible they are more attuned to tradition and its purposes than we are. Also note the the first thing the Protestant "reformers" did was to abolish the common language, Latin.
Here in my city and diocese, there seems little basis for the right wing to again start singing "Tomorrow Belongs to Us." Mass according to the 1962 Missal had long been available at places more convenient than the average work commute yet the priests celebrating it admit interest had plateaued and it had become a "boutique" form of Catholicism. Folk Masses have mostly disappeared but a quarter of the parishes here have a Gospel Mass. I've seen Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament restored concluding with a laywoman preacher. Outdoor processions have become popular and common but will likely not be seen with the promised termination on TPS.
I don't think anyone should start singing "tomorrow belongs to us" so much as "we are entering a period of profound change, no matter who the next pope is"
Those who love the Latin Mass should be paying attention to this. Others should as well. Furthermore, whatever we think, it is crystal clear that people way more important than us are at least entertaining that the shift is real, and Cardinal Roche's interview is a clear sign of that.
Extrapolation from a singular focus on TLM to the overall currents for an upcoming conclave for a church with innumerable problems, both temporal and spiritual, seems a bit of a stretch.
Someone with the requisite journalistic reach like The Pillar should interview Cardinal Roche directly rather than assert what he is saying as a ghost writer (another potential assertion) for the current Holy Father. An interesting facet nonetheless.
I found the bit about Cdl. Roche personally celebrating the Novus Ordo in Latin to be a howler, and not in the missing-the-point sense. Does this man, like Paul VI supposedly donning his red vestments before being corrected by his sacristan, not remember that celebrations of the Novus Ordo in Latin or ad orientem were separately restricted after Trads Cussed?
I don’t feel qualified to make a real comment as yet, as I’m only just now starting the “interview” in the Catholic Herald. From my ancient perspective being in my eighth decade of life, of course there will be change! There will be a different man in the position of Pope. But one thing remains the same: The Holy Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are always, always, ALWAYS in charge. It is through their auspices and blessing that we have a Pope. The Holy Spirit moves through the Cardinals and a Pope will be elected. I would “guess” that it will be someone from Italy now that the church has experienced again someone from outside the hallowed halls of the original church there. We can speculate all we want. We can wring our hands all we want. What we should be doing instead is praying: praying for the healing of Pope Francis and should that time come for the response of his soul. And at all times we should be praying for every single priest regardless of the title they wear to be protected from the evil one and his influences. Save your emotional and spiritual energy for something you actually have control over, which is ah, what? We cannot even control our own lives without the Lord, and we should always remember that.
Pray, my brethren-in-Christ, pray without ceasing. 🕊️
No one has ever been able to explain WHY it is wrong to celebrate a traditional Mass in Latin as per the 1962 missal. We are still worshipping our Lord and recognizing the sacrifice. Are we to follow the word of MAN (i.e. Bishops) or the word of GOD?
Your continuing division of the Church into Us and Them is the problem. The Church is all Us. There is not a Them.
What does that even mean? There was a clear target of such legislation. Whatever Rome felt the target was, far more were impacted by it. Is it forbidden to point that out?
No, saying someone is divisive is a way to attack when you don’t have a valid argument. Everyone could “worship” with the same rite of the Mass and believe completely different things. Would that be unity?
Nobody is allowed to notice things, ever. It hurts the narrative. Such is the current state of society.